Ending the HDTV DVD War -- By Joseph Whip
It has been an amazing week in the world of High Definition media (HDM) on the Internet forums starting with the Paramount/Dreamworks HD-DVD exclusivity announcement. Fanboys or both red and blu persuasions have been working overdrive spinning the announcement this way and that, proclaiming that their side would be victorious. While some of the postings on sites have been amusing, some have been downright deceitful or libelous, uncalled for and beneath us as HT enthusiasts. To calls of payoffs, the Microsoft behind it all and wanting to rule the world, to Michael Bay being a savior to then being a villain to Steven Spielberg releasing only on BD and not HD, not ever and Sony being the root of all evil. People posting claiming big news which will end the war, only to disappear when nothing happens as they said it would. Ok, nevermind! All very sad really.An example of how things can get out of hand is the announcement that Steve Nickerson a SVP at Warner Brothers was resigning. Given claims that WB was about to make some big announcement, the fanboys were all a twitter, claiming that this meant that WB was going BD exclusive as Mr. Nickerson was pro HD to no he was pro BD and this meant HD exclusivity. In reality, no one posting had a clue who Mr. Nickerson is and whether it meant anything. Maybe he just wanted to spend more time with his family? Guys, get a life! We will find out soon enough whether it means anything at all. Most likely, it does not.
The other main issue posted on the boards is how to end the war. Swanni has even chimed in on three ways that BD can win the war. Maybe so, but at this point, it seems to me that there is only one side that can end the war quickly, and that is HD not BD. The best that BD can hope is to win a war of attrition that will last a couple more years and hope to gain such an edge on software sales to force the hands of the HD exclusive or neutral studios to give up the ghost. On the other hand, HD has the combo and dual disc hand to play, one which BD has not. The combo disc is a flipper, having HD on one side and SD on the other. The dual disc does the same but does not require flipping the disc over. Some HD owners hate the idea of combos, mostly due to the added cost, making, in the case of WB, the BD discs being $5 cheaper than the combo, which in and of itself may explain some of the sales figures of 300 in favor of BD. I like them.
However, with Paramount now HD exclusive, it is possible that Universal, Paramount and Warners can get together and abandon DVD only releases for their films and release HD/DVD combos only. They would, of course, have to price them more like DVDs and give up their
insane HDM price points. I would suggest a $19.99 msrp. The almost immediate result will be sales of millions upon millions of HD DVD discs almost overnight. What will the Nielsen rankings look like then?
Consumers could buy the discs in confidence knowing that they will always have the DVD side. With numerous discs in the house, they would be more inclined to buy an HD player to take advantage of the much better picture and sound on the other side of the disc. With HD player approaching $199 and lower soon, HD players will reach the point of impulse buys, further fueling sales of the HD discs. The combos would also be travel friendly, as they will play on portable DVD player, laptops and car players as well. Combos are impossible for BD as the DVD Forum will not permit them. I just can't imagine families buying a BD for the house and a separate DVD of the same film for travel purposes. All of this, of course, hinges on the price of the discs. It would be impossible for Fox and Disney to resist entering such a market were it to come to pass. With Fox and Disney becoming neutral, the war would be as good as over.
I acknowledge that what I am proposing would be a bold move by the studios. However, if they want to end the war and do so quickly, it is the most logical alternative.
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25 Comments:
Everyone disses Paramount for being HDDVD exclusive, but Sony and Disney don't release films on HDDVD at all and never have. Why don't people diss them?
Because whenever positive news happens for Blu Ray it is for the good of the consumer but whenever something good/positive happens for HD DVD it is only prolonging this war and in the end will hurt the consumer.
It's not true but BD fanboys like to legitimize Sony's actions and reactions.
paramount taking the cash will kill of hd media, everyone says 2 formats are bad, so paramount slash 60 -70% of their hidef sales for no sound reason($150m anyone)
this causes confusion and uncertainty in the public, bd was perceived to be winning the war, one format is the way forward, if you cant win by letting the consumer decide, then buy out the competition
This is Joe Whip and I thought I would respond to the last comment. I totally disagree with the need for one format. I see no reason that the HT world can't do with two formats just as the gaming world deals with more. It works there. The retailers have no issue carrying them all, the consumer is not confused or hesitant to buy what they want. I jsut dont see where two formats is an issue. Check out my personal blog for more stuff!
Well I could not argue with anything you wrote ... especially the idea of them publishing all new titles as COMBOS. How could I disagree, when I posted the very same idea a few weeks ago in the High Def Digest Smackdown forums along with a few other ideas, under the moniker DJDSAINT - check it out if you'd like.
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Great minds think alike!
You just said the opposite of BD supporters. If Disney and Fox go neutral then the 'War' would be over. BD supporters are saying if Universal goes neutral and WB stays neutral then BD will win.
You sound just like everyone else, a bunch of what ifs!!
Let the consumers and the numbers tell us who won. Universal goes neutral and WB stays neutral, lets let the public decide. Lets vote by sales numbers, software and players!
I feel BD will best suite the formats long term growth with the interactive Java Blu-Ray discs!!
TruBlu2
Continue from above: Let the consumers decide. Universal goes neutral then in Spring 2008 (set a date) then have a Digital Town Meeting and ADD everything up!! Winner takes all. If its BD then it is BD. If it HDdvd then its HDdvd.
The consumers would have decided and that my friend is democracy!
If both formats are in a dead heat, either flip for it or ALL STUDIOS GO DUAL FORMAT and if you think BD is better then buy that movie on BD. If you think HDdvd is better then you can go and buy that movie on HDdvd.
Better yet, If the BD version of a movie is considered superior to its HDdvd rival then by all means buy it on BD. And vice versa, if a movie is considered superior on HDdvd, then by all means buy it on HDdvd.
Everyone wins, consumers, studios and manufactures.
I think that would work!
TruBlu2
Interactive Java BD discs? Hah!! HD DVD already has interactivity with 300? Blu-ray version of 300 doesn't have that...
BD fans talk a lot about the exra capacity, yet none of the BD movies released to date use that extra space. They can't even do combo discs! Why was POTC released on 2 BD discs if they are supposed to have superior capacity?
This is ALL 100% speculation and conjecture with a heaping dash of hope thrown in for good measure!
This holiday season should tell the tail for the Hi-Def disc formats in general. I say this because for the first time in this war, we should see consumer affordable HD Players and some fairly cut throat marketing!
It seems that everyone, these days, is looking for the Rosetta stone of tiny information scraps, that will signify the actual end of this format war.
When in-fact, the war will be a protracted one, right up until the day that there is no disc format winner. As we have all seen, this was is more about conviction then it is about short term profitability.
What exactly is $50 + $100 Million of under table money to a Billion dollar + movie company?! Seems to me that this would only finance about 3 modern movie productions!
How hard is it to get that HD DVD is going to win??
BD stands for approximately just 0.7% of the whole DVD market
HD DVD stands for approximately just 0.3% of the whole DVD market
There is maybe 2-3millions of BD players i US (PS3 Included)
There is only 200-400k HD DVD players
BUT still is BD only selling twice as much discs.
That would make any NOT bribed company go HD DVD exclusive immedaitly
The more PS3 that is sold the more pathetic is the BD disc sale.
Take the RED PILL and see the future of high def on HDDVD, or THE BLUE PILL and remain in the past!
Paramount probably based their decision on some of the following:
BD has regional coding issues
Some poorly coded BD MPEG-2 discs
Not all BD players can access interactive content
The introduction of profile 1.1 means older BD players will not be able to access some new features.
BD discs cost more to make
Overpriced BD player hardware
BD-Java is more difficult to code than HDi
Sony and others are being sued over BD technology
The European Union is investigating the Hollywood studios exclusivity stance with Blu-Ray as possibly anti-competitve
Oh, and maybe a sum of $150m may help...
I'm not against BD but BD technology doesn't seem like a "finished" product.
The quality control on combo disks would have to be 900% better before the studios could stop releasing rock solid DVD's. To date, nearly every combo disk release has had some problem, including a > 10% failure rate on the HD-DVD combo disk of 300 based on a public poll on AVS. This would be the death of the format, not the savior.
As far as the last poster is concerned, that is coreect although I have had only one problem with a combo dics CoM which was an authoring probelm and cured with the 2.2 firmware upgrade. Rememebr, the DVD sides of the combo discs have all played flawlessly. That is the key point.
Also, don't forget that Sony was/is a current member of the DVD forum and actually was part of the HD DVD spec team BEFORE they split to start their own proprietary format.
This format war started with Sony leaving the DVD forum. I blame them completely for this stupid war.
I'm curious to see what the European Union discovers when they finish their investigation into anti-competitive allegations against the Blu Ray camp.
BD players outnumber the HD DVD players 10-1 worldwide and they can ONLY outsell 2-1 discs over HD DVD? Pathetic!! Can anyone blame Paramount and Dreamworks for their decision?
Increasing the prices of regular DVD discs is definitely NOT the way of ending this. There is no way high definition discs are going to take over DVD because it is highly unlikely that 100% of SD tvs are going to be replaced by HD tvs overnight.
As someone has said, if both HD-DVD and Blu-ray account for 1% of the DVD market share, how on earth would you justify increasing the prices to the other 99% ?
That is not happening.
BD has NOT "regional coding issues". At lest not for the studios, since any studio can release titles that are region-free. So the regional coding issue is not likely to be part of the reason studios would chose either format, perhaps only for FOX, they love the DRM. The number of BD titles that are region free is big anyway.
Fantastic commentary Joe. You nailed it. HD-DVD is now firmly in the drivers seat and they are in a position to finish off Blu-Ray. If they go to combo CD's as you said, game's over.
BD-Java is just coming out a-hole. That is why 300 didn't have it. Read a book before you critic my post.
Second, most movies have been released on the BD25 to start, now many more are coming out on BD50. Also, theoretical capacity of a BD is 200gig. TDK has already made a disc with 100gig. HDdvd TC is about 60gig.
TruBlu
And for everyone else:
Blu-RAY ROCKS
and hddvd F'in SUCKS
Face it fanboys--toshiba is going down regardless of what you think or say!!!!!
TB2
Has it occurred to anyone that the dual-format machines may actually help HD-DVD?
The market is probably going dual-format anyway so why produce films on the more expensive BD format?
PS3 has a low attach rate. Not to mention Sony are Nazi's about DRM. Anyone remember Sony Rootkit Classaction? Pres. of RIAA said sony did nothing wrong. Bluray can take there BD+ DRM and shove it you know where. Nice way to treat your paying customers.
HD DVD the choice is clear.
Pretty hard to support Sony when a paying customer brings home a purchased CD, and it installs a virus on your machine. You really want to trust them with there next format. Thought kids where smarter than that.
I get it! HD DVD supporters. In order to get a large user base for a new format and this one "hd dvd" is quite an upgrade, the prices have to be reasonable for the comsumer's, hence the price points of $299 and $179 “xbox hd dvd player and this xmas even lower”! We know why blu-ray is expensive? It's because of the new manufacturing equipment and processing for the blu-ray discs, drm and paying some nut(s) to figure out a way to program that confusing cell processor for the ps3 and what's in the ps3...a blu-ray player... for $499 and $599, standalone’s are even more expensive! Now, with hd dvd that process is inexpensive because the processing plants used to make regular dvd's can use to same equipment to make hd dvd's thus reducing the cost of the hardware and software. And those savings can be passed onto us!
I think there’s more to it then this: why is it that in Japan xbox 360 is doing poorly? Why is it that anything made in Japan only supports blu-ray? I think the one poster is onto something:
Also, don't forget that Sony was/is a current member of the DVD forum and actually was part of the HD DVD spec team BEFORE they split to start their own proprietary format.
This format war started with Sony leaving the DVD forum. I blame them completely for this stupid war.
I'm curious to see what the European Union discovers when they finish their investigation into anti-competitive allegations against the Blu Ray camp.
Tech wise, BD>HD-DVD. Why would someone want HD-DVD to win, when BD can hold more data. Basically high def media like BR and HD are just discs that hold more data then dvd. Why wouldn't you want the one that can hold the most??
I haven't purchased either yet. I would not buy HD-DVD, i'm just waiting for BR player prices to drop and not buy a first gen machine. How can someone support inferior technology??
I'm not opposed to Blu-Ray, I just think they are too expensive, That's why I bought an HD DVD player.
Let me assure you. HD DVD is in NO WAY inferior to the Blu-Ray machines. Format capacity, is all theoretical and neither format is using capacity to it's greatest degree anyhow. Anytime a movie comes out in both HD DVD and BD, HD DVD seems to get the edge. Useablity, interactivity, conectivity, HD DVD wins out on all fronts. It isn't that Blu-ray can't do these things, it just isn't.
HD DVD is just the same as Blu-Ray when it comes to picture quality and sound quality. The only real difference is in price, and what movies are available.
You lose nothing by getting and HD DVD player. the only real difference is in how much money stays in your pocket. If Blu-Ray Players were less expensive than HD DVD, I probably would have bought one of them.
I agree with Whip. there is no reason the market cannot support both formats. It does with game systems.
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